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Post by EnlightenedBulbasaur on Sept 27, 2020 6:42:02 GMT -6
I have just seen this discussion (link from PWCC megathread), so the conclusion is that we still don't know which Poliwrath is from the real corocoro illustrator contest lol I'm wondering if PSA know somothing more (any archive?)  PSA is not the keeper of the knowledge in this hobby. The collectors are. |
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Post by pokemar on Sept 27, 2020 6:50:14 GMT -6
I have just seen this discussion (link from PWCC megathread), so the conclusion is that we still don't know which Poliwrath is from the real corocoro illustrator contest lol I'm wondering if PSA know somothing more (any archive?) PSA is not the keeper of the knowledge in this hobby. The collectors are.
At the moment neither the collectors nor PSA (?) have the answer...
PSA graders are collectors too (I know 2 big collectors that once were psa professional graders).
But I basically agree with you.
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Post by EnlightenedBulbasaur on Sept 27, 2020 6:59:19 GMT -6
PSA is not the keeper of the knowledge in this hobby. The collectors are.
At the moment neither the collectors nor PSA (?) have the answer...
PSA graders are collectors too (I know 2 big collectors that once were psa professional graders).
But I basically agree with you.
The question has already been answered. See the previous page. There is absolutely no physical distinction between an original winner's copy and the Vending series copy. Both were printed on the same glossy card stock and both have the exact same everything. To demonstrate how all over the place PSA is, I literally just Google Image Searched "Vending Series Mr. Mime PSA" and these are the images that came up:   Same PSA label, but one is clearly the Vending series card and the other is clearly the Quick Starter gift set card. The simple fact is that PSA is completely helpless in being able to distinguish the difference between an original winner's copy, a Vending Series copy, and a gift set copy. But of course, no one can distinguish an original winner's copy from a Vending Series copy (PSA used to think they could but have since learned that they cannot do so, which is why they will no longer slap an Illustration Contest label on it). |
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Post by pokemar on Sept 27, 2020 7:10:21 GMT -6
At the moment neither the collectors nor PSA (?) have the answer...
PSA graders are collectors too (I know 2 big collectors that once were psa professional graders).
But I basically agree with you.
...But of course, no one can distinguish an original winner's copy from a Vending Series copy...
That's exactly my point...
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Post by EnlightenedBulbasaur on Sept 27, 2020 7:11:34 GMT -6
...But of course, no one can distinguish an original winner's copy from a Vending Series copy...
That's exactly my point...
Right. So therefore PSA made a mistake by labeling any card as the Illustration contest winner. What exactly is your point? |
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Post by chok on Sept 27, 2020 7:25:19 GMT -6
After knowing that the winner has posted a photo of her Illustrator and the glossy Mr. Mime, it is like trying to distinguish a 2007 Battle Road TOP 3 Mysterious Pearl from a Winter Challenge Mysterious Pearl. They are literally the same cards unless they come from a winners' case (or from the Illustrator winners in the Mr. Mime case).
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Post by GymLeaderTaylor on Sept 27, 2020 7:26:10 GMT -6
Okay but what if....just kidding lol
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Post by pokemar on Sept 27, 2020 7:42:49 GMT -6
That's exactly my point...
Right. So therefore PSA made a mistake by labeling any card as the Illustration contest winner. What exactly is your point?
We don't know anything, the label might be correct or wrong.
Maybe the illustr contest winner went to PSA to grade his card (or there are other proofs that psa knows), which explains the different label.. of course these are just hypothesis.
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Post by EnlightenedBulbasaur on Sept 27, 2020 7:52:36 GMT -6
Right. So therefore PSA made a mistake by labeling any card as the Illustration contest winner. What exactly is your point?
We don't know anything, the label might be correct or wrong.
Maybe the illustr contest winner went to PSA to grade his card (or there are other proofs that psa knows), which explains the different label.. of course these are just hypothesis.
You just don’t seem to get it. There is literally *no reason whatsoever* to believe the cards that have been labeled “Illustration Contest Winner” by PSA are not just vending series cards. I have Vending Series Mr. Mimes myself. I promise you it is equally likely that any of my Mr. Mimes is an original Illustration Contest winner as the ones that have been labeled as such by PSA. Even PSA acknowledged their error because after this was pointed out to them they stopped giving out the Illustration Contest Winner label. The only people who seem to have a hard time letting this go are you and the person trying to sell their common card for 6 figures. |
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Post by pokemar on Sept 27, 2020 8:14:09 GMT -6
We don't know anything, the label might be correct or wrong.
Maybe the illustr contest winner went to PSA to grade his card (or there are other proofs that psa knows), which explains the different label.. of course these are just hypothesis.
You just don’t seem to get it. There is literally *no reason whatsoever* to believe the cards that have been labeled “Illustration Contest Winner” by PSA are not just vending series cards. I have Vending Series Mr. Mimes myself. I promise you it is equally likely that any of my Mr. Mimes is an original Illustration Contest winner as the ones that have been labeled as such by PSA. Even PSA acknowledged their error because after this was pointed out to them they stopped giving out the Illustration Contest Winner label. The only people who seem to have a hard time letting this go are you and the person trying to sell their common card for 6 figures.
If you don't have reason to believe doesn't mean that PSA/winner/whoever don't have. Now you are making confusion, PSA has never said that it was an error, yours is a hypothesis too.
I'm just saying that this mistery is unsolved, stop |
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Post by smpratte on Sept 27, 2020 8:16:23 GMT -6
The pokemar guy is the owner of the Poliwrath. If it wasn’t already obvious. |
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Post by pokemar on Sept 27, 2020 8:19:12 GMT -6
The pokemar guy is the owner of the Poliwrath. If it wasn’t already obvious.
I would write the same thing at this point LOL |
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Post by EnlightenedBulbasaur on Sept 27, 2020 8:40:59 GMT -6
The pokemar guy is the owner of the Poliwrath. If it wasn’t already obvious.
I would write the same thing at this point LOL Certainly, the merit of your argument on its own is just too powerful to overcome otherwise. |
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Post by pokemar on Sept 27, 2020 8:48:48 GMT -6
I would write the same thing at this point LOL Certainly, the merits of your arguments on their own are just too powerful to overcome otherwise.
Sorry but I have insisted to point out the differences between hypothesis and certainty, that's my only argument |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 9:04:13 GMT -6
Certainly, the merits of your arguments on their own are just too powerful to overcome otherwise.
Sorry but I have insisted to point out the differences between hypothesis and certainty, that's my only argument Did you grade this yourself, or bought it from the winner? |
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